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I agree that the only metrics should be 'will this person be a danger to others in the future', and 'will it be possible to contain this person without demanding prison personnel lose their normalcy as a byproduct', but my sentiment are substantially more ferocious than yours.

Crime does not just hurt the direct victims, and criminals do not simply force their incarcerators to become more brutal. Crime and criminals poison society to the core. Years ago I was part of a conversation with a middle upper class lady from a country with a very high crime prevalence (violent, non violent, the lot). We were discussing bathroom queues, and the lady mentioned in her country all the women queueing for the ladies' are 'pregnant'. That is, should a pregnant woman ask to skip the queue, all other women would ipso facto claim they are pregnant too to avoid giving up their turn in the queue. The reason being, people are so constantly tested and forced to be concerned about being taken advantage of they have near zero compassion, it is beaten out of them.

So I would push your thinking to my completely cold hearted approach, where if people are likely to reoffend, no matter the cause, they just get capped. Incarceration, as a punishment or as a sequestration is for those who can be expected to come out and not reoffend. I personally do not care whether people are considered a risk for more violent offences or whether the risk is for non violent crime. If one is a risk to others (prison staff and other prison inmates included), poof! one disappears. Hard selection against antisocial traits. And keep in mind I do not believe in free will at all, so whatever your lack of agency in committing a crime is matched exactly by my lack of agency in deciding you need killing. I do not care about mental states, I just care about probability of further crime.

Of course, 'chances of reoffending' then becomes a serious discussion, way more complex than we can have here, so I will not offer any judgement metric to be used. But I believe the starting point to deal with crime and punishment must be 'what is done is done, can now take actions that will stop further harm, keeping the goal of minimising direct damages to individuals and undermining of society well above whatever the interests of the guilty party might be?'. I accept upfront that your incarceration ideas are more humane than my more radical approach, but running containment facilities does cost money I prefer to spend in other avenues (though if it can be shown containment costs as much or even twice as much than killing people I would consider containment preferable). And I of course believe setting up a society that minimises the draw crime might have should be the very first step.

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